Before I begin my series of posts from this weekend at the NC PatCon - which was a magnificent event with outstanding progress on tangible, important issues, I want to address Oughtsix on a discussion that we were having before I left for Brock's. I wasn't ignoring you, Oughtsix, I simply didn't fire up the computer since Thursday night. And since WRSA shuts down comments on threads after a few days, I can't respond there. Your question is a good one, so I'll answer it here. I'm not sure if Oughtsix even reads here, so if anyone has his email, please point him here so he doesn't think I was just ignoring him.
Here's the thread:
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/nevada-analyses-from-the-commentariat/#comments
Here's the question from Oughtsix. You may need the entire thread for full context:
oughtsix
One win, one fail.
How does this:
” If we can choose our actions in such a manner that minimizes pushback by those who will never pick up a weapon anyway – good.”
Square with this:
“Yup. They gotta go. Period. They are not Americans anyway, they do not share the values of Liberty. They gotta go lest they simply re-infect the reset.”
???
The first statement is based on sound principle. The second, imo, is based in the emotionally satisfying urge for payback upon, well, just about everybody. I sympathize, I share your concern, but…
It’s an impossibility any way. Too many of “them” and too few of “us.” Among “us,” there are, I suspect, a majority who will have nothing to do with a “french” style revolution. No “J’ accuse!” No guillotines and tumbrils. The movers and shakers, the architects and the corrupt… those who in every word and deed knowingly sought to impose tyranny, enrich themselves through staggering schemes of corruption and outright theft and shred the nation… they may be legitimately killed in combat, while trying to escape, or captured and put on trial for their lives.
Then later:
What I will not countenance is any sort of organized, wholesale slaughter, deportation, internment or other collectivist/tyrannical/pathological Final Solution of “them”… as to be determined by WHO? exactly? Such would seem to be the gist of Kerodin’s remarks here, and many similar elsewhere.
- End of Oughtsix comments relevant here.
My reply:
You and I are on the same page regarding any "...organized wholesale slaughter..." but we part ways there.
Popping a cap in Ganny's braincase just because she voted for Al Gore (which unquestionably makes her stupid and part of our problem) does NOT, under ANY circumstances, justify death. Now then - Granny who voted Blue, donated money to Blue pols & groups because she likes those pols & groups that actively work for the violation and infringement of Rightful Liberty DOES make her more guilty because she wasn't just stupid, she took active steps to advance those goals. But again, that action does NOT rise to the level of a noose.
For the stupid, low-information, uneducated masses who are part of the problem, once the really Bad People have been handled, must be dealt with in such a manner that they can't undo the Reset. That means they must become self-sufficient - because of course there will not be any Entitlement programs in the aftermath. You feed yourself or you will die of starvation. Next, these people MUST be removed in every way, shape and form from the levers of society. They have proven they do not respect Rightful Liberty via their actions. They have demonstrated that they approve of - and help facilitate - theft by proxy. They no longer get the vote. Contrary to myth, voting is NOT properly Constitutionally guaranteed to all citizens.
Finally, I believe there is only one way these people should be permitted to remain physically on the continent: They must swear an oath, in front of their peers, to respect genuine Liberty and swear to never again take any action that infringes the Rightful Liberty of any other American - under penalty of immediate death or forcible deportation. And for anyone who refuses to swear that oath - they are invited to walk - or they will be dragged - to a conveyance out of the country and ordered never to return, under penalty of death.
Note: I am a hardcore Constitutionalist, but you'll notice I did not say they must swear an oath to the Constitution or the country or anything except to respect the Rightful Liberty of their Countrymen.
That's it. And I do believe if they refuse, it is entirely within the Natural Law right of freemen at Liberty to remove such people, who refuse to stop infringing upon their neighbors, period. We give them the option to leave unharmed, with whatever property they own. If they refuse, duct tape and the hold of a ship or airplane is how they leave.
We can not tolerate, and do not have any obligation to tolerate, people who refuse to leave us alone.
They have nearly destroyed this country and the millions of good people who live here by their meddling and intent to be Masters. We have every right to be rid of such people.
Kerodin
III
One win, one fail.
How does this:
” If we can choose our actions in such a manner that minimizes pushback by those who will never pick up a weapon anyway – good.”
Square with this:
“Yup. They gotta go. Period. They are not Americans anyway, they do not share the values of Liberty. They gotta go lest they simply re-infect the reset.”
???
The first statement is based on sound principle. The second, imo, is based in the emotionally satisfying urge for payback upon, well, just about everybody. I sympathize, I share your concern, but…
It’s an impossibility any way. Too many of “them” and too few of “us.” Among “us,” there are, I suspect, a majority who will have nothing to do with a “french” style revolution. No “J’ accuse!” No guillotines and tumbrils. The movers and shakers, the architects and the corrupt… those who in every word and deed knowingly sought to impose tyranny, enrich themselves through staggering schemes of corruption and outright theft and shred the nation… they may be legitimately killed in combat, while trying to escape, or captured and put on trial for their lives.
Then later:
What I will not countenance is any sort of organized, wholesale slaughter, deportation, internment or other collectivist/tyrannical/pathological Final Solution of “them”… as to be determined by WHO? exactly? Such would seem to be the gist of Kerodin’s remarks here, and many similar elsewhere.
- End of Oughtsix comments relevant here.
My reply:
You and I are on the same page regarding any "...organized wholesale slaughter..." but we part ways there.
Popping a cap in Ganny's braincase just because she voted for Al Gore (which unquestionably makes her stupid and part of our problem) does NOT, under ANY circumstances, justify death. Now then - Granny who voted Blue, donated money to Blue pols & groups because she likes those pols & groups that actively work for the violation and infringement of Rightful Liberty DOES make her more guilty because she wasn't just stupid, she took active steps to advance those goals. But again, that action does NOT rise to the level of a noose.
For the stupid, low-information, uneducated masses who are part of the problem, once the really Bad People have been handled, must be dealt with in such a manner that they can't undo the Reset. That means they must become self-sufficient - because of course there will not be any Entitlement programs in the aftermath. You feed yourself or you will die of starvation. Next, these people MUST be removed in every way, shape and form from the levers of society. They have proven they do not respect Rightful Liberty via their actions. They have demonstrated that they approve of - and help facilitate - theft by proxy. They no longer get the vote. Contrary to myth, voting is NOT properly Constitutionally guaranteed to all citizens.
Finally, I believe there is only one way these people should be permitted to remain physically on the continent: They must swear an oath, in front of their peers, to respect genuine Liberty and swear to never again take any action that infringes the Rightful Liberty of any other American - under penalty of immediate death or forcible deportation. And for anyone who refuses to swear that oath - they are invited to walk - or they will be dragged - to a conveyance out of the country and ordered never to return, under penalty of death.
Note: I am a hardcore Constitutionalist, but you'll notice I did not say they must swear an oath to the Constitution or the country or anything except to respect the Rightful Liberty of their Countrymen.
That's it. And I do believe if they refuse, it is entirely within the Natural Law right of freemen at Liberty to remove such people, who refuse to stop infringing upon their neighbors, period. We give them the option to leave unharmed, with whatever property they own. If they refuse, duct tape and the hold of a ship or airplane is how they leave.
We can not tolerate, and do not have any obligation to tolerate, people who refuse to leave us alone.
They have nearly destroyed this country and the millions of good people who live here by their meddling and intent to be Masters. We have every right to be rid of such people.
Kerodin
III