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Friday, September 19, 2014

Yeah - about that "1 in 4 Americans support secession..." headline

Here's one of those guys: "I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference anymore which political party is running things. Nothing gets done," said Roy Gustafson, 61, of Camden, South Carolina, who lives on disability payments. "The state would be better off handling things on its own." [emphasis is mine - K]

I wonder who he thinks is going to pay for his food if South Carolina secedes.

He doesn't want secession for the sake of Liberty - he just wants a different nanny.  I suspect a very large percentage of that "1 in 4 support secession..." number are equally informed and thoughtful.

Here's the link.



  1. Priceless. Absolutely priceless.

    The goal would be to understand how and why the ship went off course then shoot a new azimuth, turn the rudder, trim the sails and get back on course.

    Secession addresses none of that.

  2. Secession is just the means to a "new azimuth", not a be all end all in itself.

  3. This question is a bit off topic, but somewhat related in a Kevin Bacon 6 degrees removed kinda way. How many of you will actually have the balls to answer is yet to be seen...men or women....

    Of those of you who are approaching retirement age are you going to sign up for social security and why or why not?

    Those who are retired, are you receiving social security, why or why not?

    Answer anonymously if you want.

    I'm not asking to blast you, I sincerely am interested in your answers. I still am a few years out, but I am trying to find a way to earn at least the same amount of money, from my farmstead, without having to stay in the job I have. I don't want to HAVE to take SS. I don't want to be tied to the other "programs" that come hand in hand with SS. Husband will think I'm insane if I don't take it and in all probability will be pissed as hell.

    I double dog dare you to answer....

    1. Well, I want my money back that was taken from me since I was 13 years old. It's mine, I worked for it. It was taken without my consent and I want it back. I don't want anymore than was taken from me, but I want it back. I'm still considering the medicare and medicaid that was taken from me without my consent. Quite frankly, I'm pretty sure I want that back too. One way or the other, I want it back. That and a few other items. ;-)

    2. Gotcha. How do you really know how much you paid in though, how much is actually your money? Employers pay some of it. I know you get a statement saying that you are eligible, but no one knows how long you're going to live, so how can they divy up monthly how much you should get?

      I thought if I did decide to take it I could use it to pay all the taxes I'm saddled with, as in take the monthly SS check and pay land/property taxes with it...every month, ha!

      One of the things that bugs me is all the intrusive crap you have to go through to receive SS, medicare, etc.

      I guess the smart thing to do would be if you did take the SS, you should still have a way to live and not depend on it. I'm still not sure if it will even be around when I'm eligible for it...

    3. I know exactly how much I've paid into social security. I get statements periodically. My contribution only. Not for medicare or medicaid, but I'm willing to bet a record exists. Now, assuming also a reasonable rate of interest on those funds taken from me over the past 50 years and that comes to a tidy sum. It's mine God damn it. And I want it back. All of it. Every thin dime.

    4. Don't forget to factor in inflation either...That will put the more money in your pocket as well...

  4. Not sure where I saw it this a.m. but the article dealt with Scotland. The older demographic was the largest that voted no for independence. Reason: Entitlements provided by the U.K. They worried what independence would bring. Similar to our country, the scales are being tipped in the FSA's favor.
    Doesn't matter, because math doesn't lie. It's gonna collapse under its own weight.

  5. I would add up all the money they have taken from you factor in inflation and charge them what interest you think is fair and that's the amount I would take back from them...If you add it all up and then take what they are going to pay out every month and factor in living for 20 years collecting... If what you paid in is still greater than what you are going to get back I would then get on social security disability...

    1. Hmmm, wonder if you can factor taking a bureaucrat's hide into that...

  6. That is just a dividend so it doesn't factor in on how much you get back....;)

  7. I'll call it even if the entities that steal the money are shut down. Well, that and a few other things. ;-)


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